Ever meet someone with a chart like yours? Even a few placements? And it’s like looking in a mirror? I had this experience yesterday. It was unplanned but I got a chance to visit someone’s chart and my eyes went around the wheel and aha! He had Venus in Pisces in the 12th! And Pisces Rising. And it made me understand him so much more and, in a way, helped me experience myself 🙂
Not being able to see myself clearly is something I am used to, but I pride myself on being able to see others clearly, although often what I see are the undercurrents and secret messages and missing the surface, at times. Or being shocked by the surface. Now I had guessed this person’s Sun and Rising many times and had gotten it wrong although I knew he had Scorpio elements. I could feel that absolutely. The Scorpio Moon was proof of that, along with a 7th house Pluto and Sun Mars conjunction.
But the most interesting thing to me was his Venus. No, that’s not a Freudian slip, people. Venus in Pisces in the 12th house. His Venus in the sign it should be AND in the house it should be. I know astrologers will disagree with that and 12th House people will too, but Venus in the 12th? The compassion is palpable. And I swear I’m not talking about myself because I don’t feel it in myself; but I felt it in him. Pisces/Neptune/12th House: on that game show the 20,000 Dollar Pyramid these would go under the category “Things That You Feel.”
Somehow the word “compassion” never seems to capture it. Words (so very Virgo) never seem to capture it. It has to be experienced. Felt. So there we were, me and him, and a friend of his too and she didn’t know what the hell I was talking about and all I knew was everything made sense now. I mean, made more sense. About Venus. I can think of no better placement than the serve and suffer 12th House. So maybe no one will see you. Maybe no one will know you are alive. Maybe you’ll marry late because you are invisible BUT a 12th House Venus is a secret (of course) weapon like no other. Endless endless endless endless endlessly… loving.
Neptune is the “higher octave” of Venus (says Isabel Hickey). Venus is personal love and Neptune is divine love. When these two are in combination, suffering is guaranteed but so are the rewards, and again rewards as a word is inadequate. I’ve written a bit about needing to redeem planets from the 12th House, and I still hold by that, but my vision is… shifting a bit. More to come on this. And hopefully with more words, better words, accurate words.
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11 thoughts on “Yourself Reflected: in the 12th House”
I have this exact placement, myself.
Venus in pisces in the 12th house. Along with Mars in pisces in the 12th house.
I know that for myself I found a simple way to cope with the murkiness of these Neptunian waters: I live day by day; take my ups and downs, good and bad days as they come and move forward.
And every once in a while I’ll plug in my earphones and tune out everyone and everything. Leave the world behind and just get lost in the music.
As heavy and -quite frankly – as heart-breaking as these placements can be, I wouldn’t trade them for anything else, even if I could 😉
Hi Bernie! Yeah, I think I’d agree with you. Probably wouldn’t change it xoxo
i have sun, jupiter, true node and mean node in the 12th house. even how many times i read about my chart even googling about it i couldnt grasp the real meaning of having it in 12th house. i feel invisible…i feel love eludes me
Leo Venus in 12th (positive aspects to Pluto 2nd/Neptune 4th)
How to describe it? I can only go on childhood experience but showing off and expressing love openly was discouraged. Humiliation buried any sense of confidence in self. Tracy Marks’ book on the 12th house reminded me of it all.
Nowadays being a volunteer with a local charity is one way to squeeze something positive out of this placement but it still feels like a loss- add several hard Moon aspects and it feels rather joyless.
Oh, well. Musn’t grumble, stiff upper lip, worse things happen in France etc…
Aw Michel, it’s okay to grumble 🙂 Well, I think it is. Things hurt. Have to find the joy in your chart elsewhere then… It must live *somewhere*
Venus in 12th = secret sweet binges.
Guilty!
I have Venus and Neptune in Scorpio in the 12th. I’ve felt invisible. . .a lot. I feel deeply . . .much more deeply than people seem to realize. I apparently put on a happy face that’s so convincing. . . no one sees the pain or fear.
Scorpiotina, the feeling of invisibility is a given and must be “worked with.” Hmm. With Scorpio, I bet you are as invisible as Oprah. Not invisible at all. You just can’t tell. That’s what needs to be redeemed. Not being able to see ourselves. Need to switch that out. Your partners (romance, friendship) no doubt drink you up, or have in the past. Time for you to drink 🙂 Pain and fear, yes. But that’s because of the shadows not because of the true nature of the house which is Neptune! Is Divine! The place where there is no fear! Do I sound like a raving lunatic 🙂 I hope not because I mean what I say here, albeit sleepy.
And I didn’t realize this until I was in the energy field of another 12th House Venus person. And his was Pisces so it was magnified.
Venus 12 people wind up believing that no one can see them. But it’s not true. It’s more a matter of turning on the light.
Yes, Venus in the 12th. I know it well. I have Venus in Virgo in the 12th (as well as Uranus & Pluto in conjunction too). It is true that I have served, and continue to do so in my work, always looking after the public in some capacity (Venus showing it’s social side) but everyone I meet I judge them critically (and I mean everyone). That critical eye through my Venus in the 12th (inconjunct Saturn in Aries in the 7th!!) made me feel unworthy of any girl’s attention for years on end, and it brought me pain, loneliness and suffering from afar before I finally met my future wife in 2008. My God it was worth it in the end but the pain you have to go through to get there? I’m not so sure of the enthusiasm for Venus in the 12th…
Thanks for your thoughts, Paul. As far as enthusiasm for Venus 12 goes, I have Venus in Leo/12 so maybe the Leo is what gives me that ra-ra-ra Venus 12 pride 🙂 I also have the Venus Saturn square. Only a true Venus 12, perhaps, could be so delusional as to think it’s wonderful. Just joking. But seriously: how could you know the joy of marriage if you didn’t know the terrible pain of being alone, feeling alone? I know all about that pain, loneliness and suffering from afar. Hmm… Pluto 12 is brutal in a different way.