When you have a problem to solve, often a multi-faceted approach is best. Try a few things. Tap into a few streams. Ah, the stream! That’s the image (or one of them) for today’s lesson 🙂
Story: yesterday I requested my roommate open her bedroom window. It’s winter. She’s been keeping things shut. I tend to open windows every day even for a little while no matter how chilly for air circulation, makes things smell better even if there is no bad smell. And not only that, but the cats like it. And not only that, but qi (using the term from Chinese medicine) wants, needs, to flow.
Now that I’m getting acupunctured 🙂 I realize (and not that this is new news, just that it’s on my mind) it’s not just the personal body where qi gets stagnant and doesn’t flow, but also the bigger body we live in, our home!
The 8th House, according to Jeanne Avery, is the house of “where we get our needs met” and this is a childhood house, it refers to not only now, but childhood or (in my opinion) even past lives!
Think about it: the body. The house/home. The houses in the horoscope. Stagnant chi anyone? The energy, the air, needs to flow THERE too and the 8th House has to do with energy we SHARE, as well as resources/energy that come from others (through the family line or not).
An example: the 8th House (Pluto) rules psychoanalysis. The wisdom you derive from such a process is not based on self-discovery alone, but due to the back and forth between you and your shrink. You share the words, you share the room when you talk, there’s give and take, energy (money/time) exchange. And no doubt you help the doc as well (although this is a less popular topic).
There are many traditional and less traditional ways to define the 8th but my main point here is: is your 8th House qi flowing? Are you tapping into the stream? Because this house IS flowing on its own, naturally, but then life and our experiences clog it up and we are born with planets there or not there.
What natal planets do you have there? What is transiting there? Is it free-flowing? Of course good aspects like sextiles and trines cause flow and the harder aspects cause stagnation.
Now even if you have a difficult or temporary qi situation in a particular house, especially the 8th House, all is not lost, but as I was saying at the start, a multi-faceted approach is often best. You find what works to get the stream flowing better and then enter it.
The “cure” could be found in bodywork, like massage. Or talk therapy. Or meditation. Or acupuncture. Or energywork, like Reiki. The cure could be that you need to go on daily walks which bring you insight. Maybe you need to volunteer with horses. Maybe a disciplined approach to prayer. Maybe you need to be more social. Maybe you need to clean the house more often or hire someone to clean the house because they need the money. Maybe you give too much. Maybe you need to give more. Maybe you don’t believe in yourself. Maybe there’s nothing you need to do but “intend.” It could be a physical thing or mental thing or spiritual thing or a combination. Maybe it’s “just” a transit. And yes, I’d like a side of sweet potato fries with that 🙂
Of course we can’t just look at one house in the chart to diagnose just as Mr. Lee, who does my acupuncture, doesn’t just check my pulse or look at my tongue. But it’s one place to start if you are having trouble calling in or attracting what you need.
xo sending love xo
**
A few spaces left! Tarot 2013 reading. Two cards for LOVE. Two cards for WORK (fun!). Two Wild Cards on the topic of your choice (and truth is I’m pulling more than two cards for each topic). Email only. 30 minutes. $45! And the back and forth style you know and love from MoonPluto. This special runs until January 1st 2013 (and yes, my regular readings are still available.)
16 thoughts on “What’s Your 8th House Qi: Stagnant Or Free?”
i have my cancer moon in the 8th. as long as i can emote and explore my stuff, i’m good. oh, and i like to take care of people. but today feels stuck! ugh.
oh, duh! i’ve also got my cancer north node in the 8th. i always forget that for some reason.
Forgot to add, transiting Pluto is squaring my 8th house Eris/Osculating Lilith, while Uranus has been lingering just outside my 8th, just a few degrees away. When Uranus briefly touched the 8th house cusp (almost conjunct Eris/True Lilith, opposite Ceres and trine my IC), I discovered a huge family secret, one I’d intuitively known since childhood through feelings and dreams; connected to that, I just as suddenly decided to let go of a relationship that felt toxic. Since then, I’ve had several sudden realizations regarding what it means to be *free* and how that feels, what it looks like.
And I’m not as afraid to approach relative strangers if I’m getting something for them, something I NEVER used to do.
oh yes 8th house family secrets….. I’m exploring such territory with Ur transiting my 8th!
I met a sister, given up for adoption before my mom met my dad. Getting to know her helped me to understand myself (and also my mother) a whole lot better. It was kind of shocking, actually. Good luck with that!
My 8th holds True Lilith/Eris (exactly conjunct), Mean BM Lilith/Sedna (exactly conjunct) and my South Node, which is within 5 degrees of my BM Lilith/Sedna conjunction – all in Aries. These placements are opposite my 2nd house Ceres (exact), Sun (exact), and Venus/North Node conjunctions – all in Libra. I’ve had to become more self-aware, not self-serving; and more reasonable and just as opposed to people-pleasing. . . otherwise I’m going nowhere.
Throughout my life, I’ve experienced significant encounters with others who’ve mirrored back to me who I am and who I wish to become, and who’ve revealed to me not only the darker side of life with all of its injustice, deception and cruelty, but also an awareness of another choice, one based on truth, kindness and love. There’s no escaping the truth or denying what it is I see, and I can’t run from the responsibility of knowing or acting. So I’m always reflecting and refining what it means to live my life from an “I-Thou” perspective, trying to use my gifts and awareness to heal rather than harm, while remaining mindful that not everyone shares this goal. Mind you, this is an ongoing process which I’ve messed up in the past and will probably continue to mess up in the future. I definitely get stuck sometimes in old South Node patterns.
Ruler of my 8th and 8th house placements, retrograde Gemini Mars, is in my 9th and exactly conjunct my Part of Fortune stressing the importance of remaining informed and engaged and of expressing higher truths rather than engaging in dogma or hypocrisy. Mars is square 12th house Pluto, so healing energy flows when I’m channeling Divine Will as opposed to my own. I have to speak mindfully and use my mind, words and hands to heal – that’s how I move stagnant energy and keep from getting stuck. I have to listen, learn and communicate in thoughtful yet assertive ways.:)
I really enjoy these kind of posts, Aliza. I’m not an astrologer so I always appreciate another perspective on how our astrology works.:)
Thanks so much, LB
For 3 of us it’s quite. My Taurus 8th is empty w/ no transits. Hubby’s Aquarius 8th has his moon but no transits, momma stuff. Son’s Taurus 8th has Venus & no transits, deep love from home. For my daughter it’s a different story.
Her Capricorn 8th is PACKED; Uranus-4 degrees, Saturn-11 conjunct Nepture-11, all opposite Chiron – oh joy.
-Pluto entered her 8th 4/09 & was conjunct Uranus. This is when shit hit the fan! Ugly 8th house secrets kept for years.
-It’s almost conjunct Saturn & Neptune, 3 degrees away & will be exact on 5/13.
I thinks she’s been feeling it since it hit Cap 1/08. (This is also the week she met the wooden spoon & everything came out 4/09, 1 month after visiting the church). Her windows & doors have been nailed shut for years & it won’t leave this house until 2020 but I’m hoping she’ll be able to throw open everything open to let in some fresh air once Pluto get past Saturn & Neptune which won’t be until 2014. FUCK!
BTW she is graduating this week with a degree in PSYCHOLOGY! LOL The skies never lie. GREAT INSIGHT!
This is great stuff. I find the 8th and the 12th houses difficult to really grasp. One, as you say Aliza, houses Secrets and one is about letting go. Maybe that is where the end of hose needs to let out? From the 8th through the 12th? My 8th house is Cancer and Moon ruled. And I have my Vertex there. So I get pulled IN!! My 12th house is in Scorpio. Somehow, I think being both cadent and water houses, there is a clue here for me.
In my 8th house, which I thought was empty, then I found Mean Lillith, Chiron AND Part of Fortune, as well as, Nessus!
My recalls related to 8th H. are from those and this lsife (my father had a lover and could not leave her, because of the passion they felt for each other. But my mother found out. She, my mother, was an orphan from both parents since she was 3 years old. And she found the strength to tell my father that it was either his family or his lover. He chose his family, though it took very long for him to *forget* his passion. My mother was rather cold… and the woman was upset to death! So she told him that she would kill her self if he would left her. My father answered: well” then, kill yourself; because if you try to find me again, I will kill you…”.
So! Is that 8th House, or what?
My mother orphan feelings -desprotection and being por; not being able to stand for herself (work), are my Chiron. I do hope that one day it will turn into the healer the archetype is when evoluted. The woman is Mean Lillith, putting her self into danger, while confirming a triangle relation with a married man. My PF is my father with his decitions, which made him suffer. And I think I understand Nessus, by being the one who takes and carries messgs. from all these archetypes.
I just suffered and feel like recovering from a man who tried and reached me via internet, and turned out to be rubbish. I feel emotional, I end up not thinking, I have these thoughts of lack and undeserving… though, I meditate, I go to Reiki sessions and try to do -when I don´t cheat myself- where ever is at reach in order to recover.
And when I recall other lives, in this or the next frame, was about the same…
In my own life, I tend to be perfectionist, because I feel *dirty*. I have tried not to conform triangles and when I have been in one, is always clear (at least for me and for the man). And I have solved them well. But these triangle formation keep comming to me, as well as those lonesome feelings of being unprotected…
I keep working very hard! (and learning to love and assert myself as much as I can).
Karma… MHHHH!
Rìn.
Sounds like 8th House to me. It’s interesting because I think there are at least TWO 8th Houses. There is the 8th House where all the secrets are out and it’s drama drama drama. And then there is the 8th House that is all secrets staying IN. Nothing gets released in the family and the family gets cold and it is up to the individual to do their own process. Contrast this to what you describe which is your mother taking action!.
Ah yes triangles. That’s Pluto talking. Pluto loves triangles. So does the 12th House. It’s usually never good…… We live and learn.
<3 <3 <3 Love it <3 <3 <3 My 8th house is empty on birth chart (in Sag) I keep filling it up with other people's "stuff" LOL Great insight MP 🙂
Thank you Mary 🙂 So if it’s Sag, you’ve got Mercury and Venus there now, right?
yep and NN is almost there – at 26 Scorpio 🙂 7/8 houses – Venus won’t get to the 8th until 5 degrees …
opps Nodes move the other way – LOL still sick and still early in Chgo 🙂
So NN is staying in your 7th. Now *that* is interesting in and of itself, Miss Mary! I hope you feel better soon. I agree with Jen btw about the antibiotics. Not that I’m a doctor but I took various antib’s this year and the doc was always worried about my body getting used to it (you know how it goes)…. Or yeah could be you need to rest rest rest rest and get taken care of for a change 😉