I was chatting with another astrologer on Twitter the other day and we were chatting about Pluto.
About Pluto’s power to attract and Pluto’s power to repel. Others.
What’s your take on your Pluto?
What do you do more of? Repel or attract?
Or both? And do you know why that is?
Is Pluto married to any of your personal planets?
Someone once told me that my Moon Pluto conjunction would cause people to “fall into me” — and I am not going to comment about that…
I am wondering what your experience is–
Side note: while on the treadmill this morning I started another post in my head and I was going to call it “Control the Bleed” because a natal Pluto aspect to a Sun or Moon for example can give you that feeling of inevitability i.e you just can’t stop it i.e. compulsion. That your ego or your emotions are simply — well — you have to learn to master them.
Not control, but master.
Now I can’t stand the sight of blood. My own skinned knee made me faint once and I never give blood. I do love Vampires though… I’m on a tangent but my point is this:
You can learn to master your stuff, to master your immense Pluto Power so that you can… repel less and attract more. Destroy less and birth more. More of what you want.
Saturn (the teacher) in my 9th (also the teacher) trines my Moon and Pluto. I’ll have to come up with some lessons on mastering the bleed… besides bandages and applying pressure. And that is actually, in part, the purpose of this blog. Helping others with their emotional intensity, in whatever form it takes.
So maybe I’ve been doing it all along to some degree but… it seems more important than ever now.
Saturn in Libra is telling me to commit to this… in time for Saturn in Scorpio… for you AND for me.
Because if you (if I) keep on losing what and who you (I) want, instead of gaining, well, something’s got to change.
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What i like about this blog is that Aliza has a few similar aspects in like signs and she posts about them and her experience of them.
I read her, feel a sense of recognition, and then go on to do some research on my own. Bit by bit.
I have known for some time that the Moon/Pluto conjunction, Virgo/Pisces axis and nodes in said signs confer certain challenges but it’s through this “bit by bit” and Aliza’s blog I have gleaned the positives and ways of working with the energies.
So on I go, picking up little morsels of ideas from Moonpluto and chew on them for a while.
As to Moon Pluto Uranus conjunction in my chart: they fall in, alright, as I do. They may also leave unexpectedly, as I do.
And it alright.
*YOU* are most awesome. And it sounds like my blog is doing what it’s supposed to be doing. I thank you for your thoughts.
And interestingly enough I NEVER remember Uranus in this context. Uranus is conjunct my Pluto out of sign (a generational thing of course) and I never include it. I probably should.
Hmm :::raises one eyebrow::::
and I just had this funny thought that our charts should be categorized like blood types, ya know? My chart is O negative! Her chart is B positive! lol
Well, it seemed poor Uranus has always been part of the triangle and we know what happens in a triangle: one of the three is invariably left out. However, the dynamic is always there, just unspoken: the elephant in the room, the shadow, the eccentric aunt or uncle.
It shakes things up, it unsettles, so we do not set like concrete.
All this talk about Uranus going forward in Aries 0 deg made me look at where “my” Uranus hangs out.
And you know what? Uranus is a Greek god of Heavens, Pluto the god of the Underworld, and then we have the Moon. How appropriate they should travel together ;D
Love your points and very interesting when I think of my own chart. I think I forget to include him because of the way my chart is visually. Not only is Uranus in a different sign than my PLuto but also a different house although close to the cusp – I just never include him – he appears to be a world away! and also he is not aspected in my chart. Just trining my MC (important) and opposing Chiron (common – generational really) — Thus his left-outed-ness… well…. makes him that much stronger. And my Pluto, on the other hand, receives many “easy” aspects. Thanks jomad – you are spot-on (love that phrase – not an American phrase btw – an English one?)
Pluto in Libra 0deg in 2nd squares my Gem Moon in the 10th, sextiles Sag Jup and Nept in 4th, trines Gem Saturn in 10th & my Tau MC. I always attracted people, things, luck, opportunities, men – lots of men and then it seemed to switch off. I still have luck on occasion prob due to my 4 Grand Trines (Moon, Uranus, Mars – Moon, Sun, Mars – Moon, Mercury, Mars – Moon, Venus, Mars).
Maybe I’ve been repelling due to my Progressed Moon moving through Scorpio. (It’s just now moved into Sag). I also have my Prog ASC conjunct my natal Pluto. Not to mention transiting Saturn in Libra hitting my stellium in Libra – I’ve repelled a few people from my life this past year who were bringing too much negative energy and who were very hurtful to my spirit.
Things have been incredibly stagnant in my life for too long. I really hope to attract wonderful things into my life again. I think the energy is changing. Transiting Uranus (8th H) now heading direct – is in exact opposition to my nPluto. The Solar eclipse last month conjuncted my Natal Nept & Jup and the recent Lunar eclipse hit my natal moon (3 deg orb). With all that and the change of sign of my Prog Moon, something has got to change!
Time to focus on and affirm “attraction”.
I hope it gets moving again for you! No more stagnation. Although, I suppose, that’s life — periods of the rush and the joy, periods of the neutral dull and periods of flatline 🙂 Or something like that..
What a great post and responses. Leo in Pluto, 8th house, yes, I’m still alive. One day I’ll tell my story. Have a great day Aliza!
Yes, janetdcohen, please tell your story 🙂
Pluto is less than 4 degrees from my Ascendant in the 12th, Quincunx Jupiter in 5th house Pisces by 5 minutes, and sextile 2nd house Neptune in Sag by 20 minutes. I *think* I’m able to finally tie this astrology my life experiences…or at least have a theory:
Up until the past year or so, I’ve had a case of permanent rose-colored glasses (Neptune) when it comes to relating to others whether personally, in business or otherwise. I’ve let people walk all over me and take what they need or want in an attempt to keep everything smooth, regardless of whether or not I seethed on the inside because I knew I was selling myself short. Even more disgusting was that half the time I didn’t even seethe – I just assumed their needs and wants took precedence over mine. But over the last few of years of deep self-study, I’ve taken some courageous steps to remove said glasses by slowly acknowledging my childhood experiences (Pluto in the 12th can pinpoint some pretty dark childhoods) and connecting them to my adult behaviors / reactions. Counseling has helped, but even just acknowledging has been tough. Accepting is the next difficult Pluto test and I’m almost there…but with Jupiter in the mix, I feel I’m in for some hefty rewards (luck) once I DO fully pass all these tests. Definitely something to look forward to!!!
Having a good counselor is truly priceless. Sometimes I quote one that I had… years ago, almost 20 years ago… she made such a strong impression on me
Pluto in Libra (chart ruler) square Saturn, opposite Jupiter. Pluto in the 11th or 12th. trine Moon/venus/south node.
I’m both attracting and repelling – and I’m glad that I’m repelling the “mean girls” once again. I try not to feed off others, and back off when I realize that I am. People do feed off me, too – that’s one thing I got so angry about with someone else: they used me until I was expendable, and there I’d been told that I was loved.
I really appreciate the good people in my life. I’m unravelling, it seems – have been for months – and I am blessed with good people in my life. I just wish I’d been blessed with a good therapist, pre-unravelling. I will attract good, strong, loving, charismatic people, and I attract the mean girls, as well as violence – something I never understood, because I’m not usually nasty, and I also wasn’t projecting (that word gets thrown around too often). I’m rambling, because I have a headache, sorry. dizzy spells are back. I need to find my powerade.
i can relate to your attracting ‘mean girls,’ angela
only the ones i attract are ‘career victims’ (if that makes sense) and use all the emotion around victimization to scapegoat the power of my having a prominent pluto (cause, you know, power is ALWAYS bad)
and i agree about ‘projecting,’ too
sometimes the choice you are forced to make about your intentions and actions clearly, unequivocally defines where the energy is coming from——and you just gotta stick to it
Hmm. think I just explained my Chiron/Jupiter – Pluto opposition.
Hmmm…..Pluto in the 10th, Virgo.
I transform and help others? Have to think on that.
Good morning, Aliza!
Could be – and I see that your family has a hold on you that’s out of this world. Could be the actual people or even just memories – I see this with Pluto hanging out in the 10th/4th axis
Ah, but I’m cutting loose!! (Look out world!)
Did a lot of work on that Saturday. It was awesome. I can tell I’m busting loose – talk about out of this world – had stuff coming from them in the dreamtime last night. The natives are restless – lol!
And recognized it.
Who better to transform than Scorp NN????
(See? I AM paying attention!)
LOL!
Sounds good to me, Miss Kim
God, this is timely.
I don’t think Pluto CAN be mastered. He’s the God of the Underworld and what are we? The bleeding can be staunched for a while but honestly? I think if you have a lot of Pluto aspects to personal planets there’s a degree of bleeding that is constant. And others will feed off it if you let them.
So it’s then a question of management, damage limitation if you like. Speaking of vampires, I think that storyline between Buffy and Angel was very apposite. He’s ‘cursed’ with a soul so that he feels his humanity, he WANTS to be human but if ever he experiences just one moment of true happiness he loses that soul. And of course this happens when he finally makes love to her. He ends up in hell, still manages to return to her, but what can be done? He’s still cursed, and they can never be together in the ‘normal’ sense.
I find that the moment I think I’ve got to grips with Pluto, that I’ve learned his lessons, bam! Here he comes again pouring salt in the wounds. So, there is a need for surrender to the fact of it, being settled to it somehow. That that is how it’s going to be. Attraction and repulsion are two ends of the same bar and will always go hand in hand, I find that consciousness of this helps me not to get trapped in one or the other. You can dance with each in turn, knowing the other will cut in any time, and keep the movement flowing, instead of stuck.
I’m not making much sense here, I know, but that’s what happens when I try to define Pluto 🙂 I have Sun sesquiquadrate Pluto (lovely aspect, really charming), Moon sextile Pluto and Venus square Pluto.
Don’t think he can be mastered? Just watch me, babe 🙂 (LOL) But seriously. I like “management” that’s a good word – more neutral than “master.” You probably have some Cap in your chart lol to use a a business term. Oh yeah, Cap SN!
The “nice” thing about my chart is that my Moon Pluto (which is an affliction since I’m Cancer Sun) is sextiled all the way around my chart, and a trine as well so– that prob makes me believe I *can* master it – I use that word because my teacher was big on that word: mastery vs controlling i.e. using the energy instead of letting it use you. Not to extinguish the fire but to… write by it (to use one metaphor).
I am sure all the rest of my life I will get chance after chance after chance with it. And my virgo likes the idea/challenge of coming up with particular and hopefully poetic strategies. It’s like a call to arms. I defined it. Prob defined it before but now have defined it again. Also gives my blog some direction.
Others do feed – it’s true. Have to work hard to find reciprocal relationships. And of course since my Pluto is with the Moon, it’s women who fall into me. Men, less so. Need to work on that 😉
You do make a lot of sense and a lovely analysis 🙂 Never watched Buffet though — although beginning Season 2 of True Blood and I like some of it and dislike other parts – I am against nudity on television/film (yes, I belong in a different era) and wish actors could respect their bodies instead of peddling them but that’s another story
I’m enjoying the Pluto discussion in your comments section. Learning so much about how others experience this “devil”. 🙂
I forgot to mention that I like the way that you write. Does your Moon-Pluto in VIRGO make you economical with words? What sign is your Mercury in?
I have Mars trine Pluto (wide aspect) in air. I can trade you that for your Moon-Pluto in Virgo for a week to cure you of mostly women falling into you. 🙂 I experience it as attracting men with my mind…and they push to compete with me over ideas. If they can’t win, then they want to join me. The quality of fight (to the finish or to the death) usually depends on the condition of their Mars and Pluto and how it syncs with mine. We often confuse the mind-merge for sexual feelings. And this happens a lot (remember, Jupiter in the 8th is connected here).
Hmm interesting.
And thank you. Mercury in Cancer/11th House in a stellium with Sun and Mars. Mercury trine Neptune. I am naturally economical — on the blog I am more free though – I don’t edit, etc. That’s why I like writing here. I worry but I don’t WORRY about the writing.
Interesting observation about Pluto and bleeding. I once donated blood. Almost. The needle was almost in my arm and I changed my mind when I looked over at the full bag of blood next to me. I had a thought that they were taking my strength, like cutting Samson’s hair.
Pluto is one of the strongest planets in my chart. I attract more than I repel, and more than I want to attract. People with obsessive compulsions. Restraining orders and cutting them off. Then they reappear as if time would change my mind about them.
It should come as no shock that I have big gains and losses with regards to my career. But the net effect is usually positive in terms of teaching me lessons I need to progress. I feel emotionally scarred but I gain so much wisdom (Jupiter in 8th sextile Pluto in 10th). I usually get financially compensated for my emotional distress.
Sun in 8th sq. Pluto in 10th
OOOH Jupiter sextile Pluto is nice nice nice 🙂 esp 8th/10th (i’m having a moment of chart envy 🙂
What’s it mean? How does your semi-sextile work? Similar to my sextile, yes? It’s difficult to differentiate from my other 8th house connections. I figure my Sun square Pluto and Moon in Scorpio offsets it. Heh. Oh yes, your blog for the “emotionally intense” saves me.
I will have to come back tomorrow (or even Wednesday) to answer more… time crunch! Glad you enjoy the blog 🙂
Aliza, I feel like finding your blog is an example of pluto! 🙂 I am new to understanding astrology and have been told I am a pluto person w/pluto highest in my chart? does that make sense? What I’ve noticed is that I just live the attract/repell moments. What I’ve found with this is that I bring in people who would normally be overlooked, and find them to be the most interesting people.
In my own life right now regarding pluto is the recognition of my south node in scorpio. Right now I am undergoing my own healing, and part of that is discovering who I really am beyond the surface, and without fear! So Miss Aliza, your blog is part of that! Go pluto!
Also shout out to Anne Ortelee, you both are my go to bloggers!
Kristy 🙂
Awww Anne Ortelee is awesome 🙂 And thanks for your kind words – Someone else was writing about their SN in Scorpio ( can’t remember if it was you ) and I always to tell them to shop more, eat more, be more selfish i.e. Taurus lol
I think I attract too much everything and I want to repel all of it 🙂 and then there’s the projecting. I have lots of personal planet Pluto contact, which you already know. Interestingly, it all feels the same; square Venus, mercury, Saturn & ascendant probably feels similar to the sextile to my sun to me. I think others notice the sextile, you have to get in close to feel the squares 😉
Yeah I’d think you def attract way more than is necessary 🙂 Need to to filter it. Keep some, throw back the rest. Your Moon helps you with that
Pluto fascinates me. Mine is in the 8th house in scorpio opposite mars, its also square jupiter and has a number of other aspects, but these are the ones I’m focusing on at the moment. I definitely attract, sometimes people but more things that I want or need. Usually these things will just turn up, or opportunities will arise where I can get them myself. And then pluto in its home sign and house is just intense without the other aspects, and I just realized I tend to attract people who are scared of going deeper, or try to keep things superficial, but that rarely happens. If it does, I find myself getting bored.
interesting — I love hearing about the pluto-jupiter contact. Another reader also mentioned it – fascinating to me. I have a semi-sextile of the two :::yawn::::
And your generation with this Pluto in Scorpio… Deeeeeep people
this post made me realize i have conquered that wonderful plutonian word: surrender
feels so good
lady, your words do inspire!
thank you 🙂
you are this evening’s sweet pea 🙂
pluto 2 degrees from my AC
i used to get real down in the dumps about who and what i repelled.
all sorts of self-loathing cause i felt so repulsive
but lately (the last 5-10 years) i am embracing it
if i repel you, there is a damn good reason and vice versa
gonna not fight it anymore
the universe has my back, i’m convinced
great post, mp!!
i like your attitude!
But what about when you repel people you previously liked? at the moment, after seeing their comments elsewhere, I can say that I am also repelled by them right now – I don’t like the way they’re talking about someone else – but someone being repelled when you’re going through a *really* bad time? At least what I saw stopped me from caring what they now think.
I’ve been suicidal, and I didn’t think that anyone would actually care, because I was confused and in that state of mind, you don’t think that most people will care. I needed someone to talk to, posted something, saw something else that I thought was directed at me, took it personally, and decided that I was obviously in the wrong place to be posting something like that – something that would just get me attacked again. Now, I look at their comments, and think they’re rude, and nasty – at times. I didn’t earn that treatment, and I wonder about the person they’re going for now.
(((Angela)))
Pluto in 1st in Leo opposite Moon in 7th in Aquarius, It has been a trying, telling and instructive aspect. I’ll skip the details.
share the details another time, perhaps 🙂
Sun opposite Pluto in the ninth house. Has in the past got me into trouble.
“Destroy less, birth more” interesting!!