Saturn on Pluto gets my vote for grumpiest transit.
I saw this over and over with clients when Saturn was in Libra for the Pluto in Libra peeps.
And when Saturn was in Virgo? I was destroyed. I came back to life though becuase it’s PLUTO and where there is Pluto, there is LIFE (yes, really). Make a right turn at crisis, a left at trauma. Park at devastation. Home sweet home š
I jest now but my Saturn in Virgo transit (conjunct my Moon and Pluto AND with Uranus opposing, by transit) was, in a word, HELL.
Thing is this though: the Pluto in Scorpio generation is, in my humble opinion, BUILT FOR THIS landscape.
“I managed to make every trace of human hope vanish from my mind. I pounced on every joy like a ferocious animal eager to strangle it. I called for executioners so that, while dying, I could bite the butts of their rifles. I called for plagues to choke me with sand, with blood. Bad luck was my god. I stretched out in the muck. I dried myself in the air of crime…”
(Rimbaud – Season in Hell. Tr. by Bernard Matieu)
If you are going through this transit now or in the coming days, know you will not fail.
Do you have Pluto in Scorpio?Ā
Love, MP
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32 thoughts on “Saturn Conjunct Pluto BY TRANSIT”
Hello, I’m currently in saturn conjunct pluto. Pluto is in my 12th house. For the last year I’ve had my sense of identity crushed, I often find myself wondering if anything is real, if I’m even alive, who I am, what I believe in, what I think is right and wrong. Every time I’m met with a psychological hurdle I feel like it’s going to kill me, I’ve had a few suicide attempts, have been in and out of mental health services, self-harm, my relationship with my family is breaking down. I often feel like this is going to kill me yet I find myself staring at my hands, moving my fingers thinking “I’m still here, I don’t believe it.” I’ve been getting impulsive urges, violent outbursts. Playing fate, trying to see how reckless I can be and still come out the other side alive. Struggling to hold down a job, been told I have fuck knows how many mental disorders. I lost my girlfriend, I dropped out of university and everyone I seem to speak to is drawn into a hostile interaction with me. This is easily the hardest part of my life so far, and I feel like I’m completely losing my mind. Pluto is also conjunct my ascendant which is on the cusp of house 1 and 12. Pluto in scorpio 12th house, scorpio ascendant. I was never interested in the occult, I damned it for being irrational and lacking in evidence, but now I find myself gazing into an obsidian scrying ball, reading about astrology all the time, making charts, tarot cards, meditating, experiencing telepathic/psychic experiences, distortions of reality, hallucinations, prophetic dreams. It’s so crazy. It’s something I would have called someone a lunatic for, and here I am experiencing it every day. Thank you so much for posting this, it’s helped me take a more positive outlook on what I’m going through. One love.
Thank you, Joy!
Sorry, I meant to complement your blog, but got side-tracked by some Olympic moping! Cool blog!
Hi Gabriel! No worries – thank u for your comments xx
Pluto and Saturn have been making sweet love to me over a barrel all my life;I have a pretty Scorp/Pluto heavy chart. Since mid 2012 Saturn has be transiting my 12th house; it’s progressively squared my Cancer moon, squared my Aqua Mercury/Sun/Venus (all square natal Pluto) and it’s last transit while in this house was a conjunction with Pluto (in 12th). Needless to say, chaos; death, discord, imprisonment, old demons, confinement, feeling lost, betrayal, self-destruction, dad/mom issues, etc. Lost my job and most of my friends. I’ve never really had a strong sense of self-worth (Cap Neptune in 2nd House), but I always felt obligated to work on the type of person I was (Sag Saturn in 1st House), even if I was never going to have anything to show for it. But, lately I’ve given in to the idea that nothing I do really matters and my efforts will always be undermined by karma; nothing left to do but drift. Projections for my Saturn Conj. Asc. transit next December, don’t read like Disney, either.
I have been going through a lot lately and my MIL studies astrology in her free time. She recently told me that Saturn is conjuncting Pluto (In transit) leaving my 8th house in Libra going into my 9th house Scorpio. She hasn’t had a chance to go over it with me because she is traveling, would love some input here! I totally do not feel like myself and really would like to understand what exactly is going on here!
Oops. My bad…lightning struck the Vatican in December 2012. It apparently had struck the Vatican several times before also.
Remember when lightening struck the Vatican in February 12 2013, when the Pope resigned? lol. Check out this website. http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?4070-May-the-strong-force-be-with-you-in-the-Primer-Fields Apparently, the shape of the building mimicks the earths opposing magnetic fields (A DOUBLE TORUS DONUT). According to this guy, it’s a combination of the two forces meeting each other that create plasma and energy. It’s not only a model for the energy in our cells, but a model that explains the energy created in our Universe. The video is about an hour and is so new (posted in Feb 2013 also) it hasn’t been implemented as a “new source of clean energy” yet because he’s in the process of patenting it (he said summer of 2013 will be when it goes public). He didn’t discover anything new because the TORUS shape and theory is all over the christian and Jewish bibles, holy temples, and both Hindu and Buddhist scriptures (makes sense since it’s been around since the beginning of time). Guru’s have been teaching the same “internal void” concept in search of enlightenment (or “ascension” as the Christian parable). It literally describes a DOUBLE TORUS. Since this guy is a scientist, he is unique in the sense that he was able to reinterpret the information into a repeatable scientific experiment that allows us to manipulate a source of energy that is both freely available and able to serve us without toxic byproducts (unlike all the other sources we’ve been experimenting with). There won’t be an argument for using dirty oil and gasoline when this information goes public…the elite hoarders we have running this country won’t be able to justify their economic agenda with a cheap and clean alternative like this one?! Their ulterior motives will surface into plain sight when economic excuses for oppression run out.
Interesting. Pluto in my 3rd has been a definite feeling of isolation and dissociation. Although that may also be transiting Pluto on my Neptune. See that’s the other major transformation I’m seeing with people born around the late 1980s. It seems like the blinds are coming off in some ways and we’re starting to see that globally our economic (Neptune in Capricorn) systems are not working for us, and we’re trying everything we can to fight empty feelings of isolation. We’re not satisfied with simply demanding change because the process itself is corrupt (Saturn rules capricorn). When something is structurally unsound, pluto collapses it. I wonder what’s in store for us over the next few years.
Hahaha thanks Aquarius moon for the gift of analytical detachment. I wasn’t intending to write any of that when I started.
All I can say about my process is, I’m no longer satisfied with saccharine sweetness, or living without making a real impact in the world. I used to accept that things are the way they are, but now it just isn’t enough and I demand change. I feel isolated from others because I need to feel profoundly bonded. Its nice to know someone remembers my name or face, but if I can’t tell them my darkest secrets and fight battles side-by-side then what’s the point? Before I get there, i have a lot of internal shifting perhaps because Pluto is opposing my Mercury rx and my natal pluto and neptune are also retrograde.
Yes Alisa! It were grumpy times! It happened to me last october and I was back to university, which I took as a remedy for a major breakout with a love of my life. (Pluto sat 9th house) I stayed all days on campus , every single day including weekends-and cried on the pc-keyboard. Interestingly, my grumpiness called so much attention, that nobody I spoke randomly to ever dared to not pay attention to me. Everybody looked like they were allarmed when I addressed hi and few words, letting the whole chat to be under my control. I have been nasty on some proffessors-which resulted in few repeated exams. Seems like I drove these people to a neccessary revenge.
That’s not my real nature, I am sweet and meek person normally. But back then, wherever I walked people turned their heads-my weltschmerz made me look like I was just about to cry-or to destroy the world. Whatso-ever, it was good for networking, project leading. Nobody ever before took me so serioulsly. My man has this aspect natally-people ) are messed in front of him, and everything always goes on his terms – shopkeepers for ex. suddenly loose focus and give him wrong change, bank tellers make sure they count the money 5 times. My brother has it too-it’s better not to question these people-if you disagree, pretend you do.
Fortunately retrograde saturn will not make it again to the same point, although I have enjoyed pluto-scorpio to a certain degree. It has been written somwhere you can ignore the happy face, but not the angry one. The feeling of power and control one is wielding is great, but at what cost? From all things in life-it’s better to be unnoticed but happy. (Sorry Woody Allen! )
Today I am back to my happy Saggitarian stage and the love of my life turns out to be the pain of my life. Saturn now is conjuncting my venus.
Hello Anette! Thank you for your thoughts š
Great post as usual Aliza. Saturn on my Pluto in my 11th was exact about a year an half back and it interfered with my career after I had a good but short start since Saturn was in my 10th after college graduation. I’m dealing with the pressures of every side. People hiding their shortcomings, for example, husband and parents with in-laws or old coworkers who want to network. In the mean time I should keep a straight face just because I’m dealing with those older than me and I have to still watch and quickly learn the tricks they decide to use.
And all this on my Solar return so it’ll be keeping me learning all year long!
Thank you, W! Thanks for visiting.
I’m also getting worried that I’m super rude to people on the subway, and sometimes reject the random help and offers of friendship that I’m given. Especially when people give me their business card/offer a paid service (like nutrition coaching)/recommend I buy something or might be hitting on me
Fuck ’em š
Yes. I am very lonely right now, feeling isolated and cut off from my resources. This is unusual for me because I’ve always spent lots of time and been a “cat who walks by himself,” going to museums, movies, exploring on my own. I liked spending time with friends and learned more to remember that when I go out by myself, my malaise is from getting a little solitary. My mom thought I was lonely but I wasn’t, I have Sun t square Jupiter in Pisces and Uranus in Sagittarius. I would have little adventures and walk for hours. Now I have one friend and recently had a break up. I’m missing something I require right now, I don’t have enough to feel supported. I feel less old/young right now. but I feel older, pumped and excited to continue, to learn to be an adult and progress in my life, yet alone and isolated without many people to turn to for help. I felt like this on my birthday and think it foreshadows my Saturn Return because I’m 27
Natal Pluto in Scorpio in 3rd house here!
Saturn is conjuncting my Pluto in 3rd house and both are in opposition to my natal 9th house Taurus moon, and on top of that Neptune is transiting my 6th house and exactly opposing my 12th house Virgo sun…. I can honestly say IĀ“ve never been so emotionally, physically and mentally drained in my whole life :-(((
I am only 26 years old, young woman, and feel, that I donĀ“t have enough experiences and resources to deal with saturn conj.natal pluto,
in last year I finished University, moved to foreign country, started new job, not knowing single soul here, and my only family- my mother is at home, health-wise really bad right now… what can I say, and communication pressure for me is enoumous- I have to speak and work in foreign language, and donĀ“t even get me started on verbal abuse at work or from colleagues- horrible, and people are talking about 3rd house like its not that important- let me tell you, short-distance travel, talking, and all that jazz, especially when person is in foreign country with no support in every sense of the word… ITS HARD… I feel that I bite off more than I can chew.-(((
Anyways, thanks for your support, I read your blog almost every day, but this is my 1st post… I apologize for any grammatical errors, english is not my native language.
Manu no worries! Thank you for your comments hugs xo
i don’t know that i even noticed this one. saturn in libra transited my moon-pluto-venus/mars square at the same time. i feel like the square to my moon was made more painful with saturn conj. pluto by transit.
Ohh this is a good one. Having this transit now, and now that Saturn is direct again it will hit my Pluto for the third and final time. Whew. And in my first house. I feel very aware of my age, very aware of time, overwhelmingly at times. I’m thankful for having Neptune transit my Jupiter, and transiting Jupiter in my 9th as well right now.
Saturn conjunct Pluto was the WORST. By far out of anything that has happened in my life, this time in my memory was the WORST.
Perhaps compounded further because it was at the beginning of my life. Not so early on that I didn’t have the brain development to really feel or understand, but not so late that I had some decent coping skills under my belt to deal with it.
I was *brand new* and was using Saturn conjunct Pluto (in my 6th house) to cut my teeth and learn about the world (and me in it) and that SUCKED.
I would agree, Aliza. Scorpio Pluto people were born equipped for a Saturn/Pluto conjunct. Imagine how equipped a Scorpio Sun/Scorpio Rising/Scorpio Pluto would be!
What happened?
Pluto conjunct Saturn in the 12th on top of my Asc. Transiting Saturn hit it all on its Return. At the same time, Pluto was/is conjuncting my natal Mars. And a good time was had by all!
I have a bundle chart, the bulk of my planets (Mercury, Sun, Venus and Jupiter) in a Scorpio first house. Anything going through nails everything I got, but I agree with you about the Scorpy endurance. If anyone can make it through, it’s us. Doesn’t mean it’s easy though.
Thank you for the encouragement and for the Rimbaud quote. It’s good to know these things, though challenging, are ultimately transitory.
āOf the good in you I can speak, but not of the evil.
For what is evil but good tortured by its own hunger and thirst?
Verily when good is hungry it seeks food even in dark caves, and when it thirsts it drinks even of dead waters.ā ~Kahlil Gibran
Hello Dalva. Thank you for the beautiful Gilbran
You’re welcome! š
When this transit happened to me it was horrible… I just had Saturn past my natal Saturn in virgo… And when Saturn hit my natal pluto, I was deployed to Iraq and almost got killed by insurgents, and let me add pregnant. Rough times, but I think my life was spared because I was pregnant. The rocket explored less than 20 feet away from me. I am lucky to be alive and with a perfect little boy, my little purple heart.
Glad you made it, Luz.
They deployed a pregnant woman to Iraq?! Geez.
This one sucks. I have Pluto in Libra so had this a couple of years ago. Because I have Sun square Pluto, I got the nice fat square to my sun at the same time. Another astrologer I know told me that a huge number of people who consult her do so for the first time when Saturn is going over their Pluto.
It felt like: “YOU NEED TO TRANSFORM THIS MINUTE BUT I WON’T ALLOW THAT. Also, you’re not shiny.”
Interesting…. wonder who that astrologer was.
No Pluto in Scorpio here…but transiting Pluto in Capricorn is squaring my Pluto in Libra 4th while transiting Saturn literally conjuncts my Uranus in Scorpio 4th. Both natal Pluto and natal Uranus are in my 4th house of home. Everything is blocking the other. Both my natal Pluto and natal Saturn are in the same 9 degrees as transiting Pluto in Capricorn 6th (!!). Natal Pluto in Libra 4th is directly opposite transiting (now retrograde) Uranus in Aries 10th house. Pluto in Capricorn is crushing absolutely everything while Saturn blocks all the potential escape routes. Even my north node in Scorpio 5th house is being cornered and blocked on both sides by a transiting Saturn in Scorpio and a natal Saturn in Leo 2nd at 9 degrees (same as both natal and transiting Pluto in 9 degrees). There’s no new life in there? It’s like I’m destined to be homeless. The crushed 4th house is all there is…going back to a Cancer Ascendant and all those asteroids in Cancer 12th house.
I have Pluto conjunct the ascendant and south node, and exactly sesquiquadrate my Saturn in the 8th. You would think that Saturn conjuncting Pluto by transit would be a rough thing. But as it happened, Saturn broke up a huge issue of self-perception that made me very happy and a more whole human being. I also had Uranus opposing at the same time. Aliza and I are of similar age. š
Anyway, the point being that while most Saturn-Pluto contacts can be and often are ass-kickers, sometimes, just sometimes, he brings a precious gift.