Yes, this is about my own Venus placement, but it might be yours too: Venus in House 12, in Leo, t-squared by Neptune and Saturn, sextiled by Jupiter, and… why do I always mention that detail last? The Jupiter Venus sextile. As if this sextile, the closest aspect in my chart by degree, is somehow invalidated by the crush, the crunch of a fixed sign square. It was my old astrology teacher who told me that an exact Venus Jupiter guarantees that you will get what you want. Or maybe he was just trying to make me feel better 🙂
So. The positive expression of difficult aspects. Yes, the positive exists and is as real as the pain. See, you know what Venus in House 12 is? It’s not *just* secret love affairs, and forbidden love affairs, and cheating on your husband with the gardener, and the prison of a love nature who cannot see the forest for the bars on the window. Lovely Venus in the 12th House, no matter the sign, is love letters, is secret notes, little pet names, the pictures you send, everything that is between the two of you, private. Understood. A tone of voice, a laugh, a gesture: the shit that turns you, and you alone, on. All this is no doubt par for the course for you and you and you, you who have your Venus anywhere else, but is crucial expression for 12th Housers. Yes it’s a private club, but trust me you don’t want to be on the guest list. Or maybe you do, as my boyfriend keeps reasurring me that the 12th house, Vedically speaking, has much to do with being good at sex. I’m paraphrasing.
All this is but one way to redeem a planet from the 12th House and 12th House planets do indeed need redeeming, redemption: by finding the high side, the higher vibration, the positive expression, the way out, the way *in.* And you can’t necessarily find the answer(s) by thinking. No, little Virgo, that would be wrong. The answer comes because you are living it, not sitting at home with your Crunch n’ Munch and your Virgo Moon, watching Rescue Me on Netflix. You don’t disown these 12th house planets, and let them wander the lonely halls alone. You take them out. Exodus. Not by changing their nature but by… well… I don’t have all the answers yet.
I do know this though: that fate brings love into our lives, and then we have to choose what to do with the love, and that’s where the work, yes the work, and the magic meet.
Note to self: write about the work of love
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21 thoughts on “The High Side of Venus in the 12th”
Good stuff!! I always like reading about the high side of 12th house planets. Keep up the good work.
Thanks 🙂
Thanks for your support, Joanna!
Holy Crap!
That explains my recent falling out with my “bestie”!
I was not aware of the “husband” and triangulation issues when Moon Pluto play together.
On some level I set strong boundaries to prevent this from happening. They are in the subconscious realm. A good Aqua friend who understands about non attachment/detachment has mentioned something similar to what you have written.
Must contemplate further.
Thank you, moonpluto.
Waiting for your next thread and bon chance with the site.
I haven’t written yet about Moon Pluto on my own blog. Maybe I should 🙂 When I think about my blog, this new venture of mine, I sometimes feel bad for not being more “timely,” even though our charts are the most timely pieces we have. Still, I hope to catch up with timeliness and the moon cycle. Then again it’s only been TWO DAYS. Typical Virgo South Node! As if anything can be perfect after two days. Oy.
@Joanna, more than an homage; it’s my calling card 🙂
Moon Pluto Virgo conjunction in House 1, yep!
Definitely makes for strange relationships with women at times. Deep relationships but also tends to draw in women who want to make me their husband. Or the “third” somehow. Pluto triangulates.
The other old chestnut is the Moon Pluto conjunction in Virgo. I shall never forget the shudder that went through “my” astrologer when he saw that one.
Happy to report my mother issues already addressed to our mutual satisfaction.
As to relationships with older women: patchy. However, some of my best friends are women at least 10 yrs older. And enemies…
I assume moonpluto is an homage to yet another one of your aspects.
I see another thread coming 😀
..please..
Yay Joanna! Yes, let the North Node Pisces rule the day 🙂
That is an awesome coincidence. I write a lot about my chart, hoping others can relate. With charts like these? the learning does *not* stop.
Nothing wrong with your site, moonpluto.
I just asked my question in the wrong thread. I realised when pressed the “send” button but, what the hell, I went with it.
It’s about living my North node in Pisces and giving my Virgo OCD South node the finger.
And I am doing it again by mentioning the nodal axis in the Venus in 12th thread.
Woohoo!
BTW: it is a bit eerie that your lasts 2 posts are applicable to my chart.
Thanks for reading Mary 🙂
Interesting I also have Venus in the 12th 28 degrees retrograde – squaring Saturn/Jupiter in the 10th and trining Uranus and pluto in the 5th. I actually just learned about the higher side of of the 12th house last week – so thanks for the post it really hit home.
@Cat, it’s a cliche, but I have to say it: where there’s life, there’s hope. I’m living proof of that. You know, Jupiter in the 12th is the guardian angel placement, watching over you, even if it doesn’t feel that way. After all it is the 12th so it’s hard to see/feel at times but I bet that Jupiter has saved your a** more than once 🙂
Thanks for your comments. I also have a Virgo Moon, and as a Virgo Moon you know that hope is not enough but only part of it. Virgo Moon will not stop until it figures out the problem and figures how to fix it… Pisces/Virgo axis can dream *and* discern. You need both.
@als, a 7th House Saturn is *serious* but it doesn’t mean love will be denied. In the first reading I ever had, a zillion years ago, the astrologer told me that Saturn delays but doesn’t deny. You hear this a lot these days and I think it’s true but it *is* about figuring out what the work is and doing it. With Saturn 7, well, you are ideally suited to such a task. As for Venus Pisces 12? That’s a beautiful placement but watch how much you give. Too much? You *need* to but also need to take care of self. Square Uranus? Do you run from opportunities that come to you?
I hear you about the limited opportunities. I’ve heard that before. I never thought of it that way or never noticed it until I met women (or men) who had many to *choose* from. It only takes one though.
How about Venus in Pisces, 12th house, squared by Uranus? Anything lucky there? Combined with Saturn in 7th this placement has restricted my opportunities of working on love. I want to work but, unless a partner comes along, that seems an impossible task.
I don’t think anyone is born perfect in any field, including love, but it matters to have enough opportunities to improve.
Ha! forgot to mention..
My Jupiter is also 12th house, Taurus along with Chiron 12th house in Aries…
Is there any hope?!
My 12th House Venus is in Aries, opposing Pluto, trine Neptune, and sextile Mars.
Love is so hard. I seem to completely change when I am with someone. My personality becomes suffocated. I’ve not found someone i can be completely open with. I’ve rarely been single, starting life with a 10 year relationship from the age of 15. It was safe.. boring.. but I am very difficult to love. I feel like I should be so grateful for every little bit of interest and love shown, because they are entering into territory most others wouldn’t be strong enough to.
I find myself single again after a 2 year relationship. Such mixed feelings… We had venus square.
I am not one for dating, short term, silly relationships.. I fall in love hard and deep and quickly, probably down to my 11th house Pisces Sun. More troubles with a Virgo Moon placement… but having said that, once the emotions are purged, practicality saves me from the dark emotions and helps me to move on.
I hold onto hope that I will get settled in this area of love, it’s really important to me to have someone to walk through this world with. Thanks for the blog, and sharing your experience..
xx
Yes it’s true. I’m very lucky to have a nice trine to Venus to my 12th house moon and no hard aspects to it.
LoL it looks like I’m talking to myself here, but I’m not: I swear! In response to the comment above: all that low-vibrational stuff IS classic self-undoing. But then again it depends what you want. Do you want love and relationship? Commitment? Then the high side *for you* must be found. Venus Jupiter in Libra is awesome. A square to Mars? Hey, not bad at all. So you’re a little hot and cold but workable 🙂 It’s really up to you.
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How topical moonpluto. I have often focused on the less savoury qualities of this placement. Perhaps because there seems to be little on its positive aspects.
So how do I work on the haute 12th house Venus?
It is conjunct Jupiter in Libra and sometimes I do get what I want… And the only challenging aspect is with Mars who squares it from 3rd abode in Aqua.
It is easy to be secretive, exchange glances, yearn, and seem unattainable/unavailable. And it IS tempting to tempt and screw around behind backs but one gets older and recognises that the vague feeling in the pit of the stomach is not reflux. It is disappointment. Sadness. Dare I say “emptiness”?
No, I am not depressed, just contemplative 😀
Someone commented on this post on the AstroDispatch and it made me think. That’s it’s not the 12th House per se, but how the 12th House stuff is aspected. From what I recall, you’ve got a lovely aspect from that Moon of yours, Lupa. Can’t ignore that! That would be an interesting study 12th House well-aspected planets vs 12th House ones with a tougher time.
I love this. Speaks to my 12th house moon as well.